I don't know how many of the people making that argument have ever actually been mangled, but I can say that the torturous, wish-I-was-dead events that have happened to me have happened when I was safely at home - even while tucked in bed. Lung collapses, Crohn's attacks, falls that broke my neck and smashed my face - these all "just happened," not in "payback" for or the "cost" of pursuing some minor (or major) pleasure.
Again, however, this is a question of intra-personal trade-offs - does pleasure in one person offset suffering in that person. I still find it immoral to think it preferable for one person to suffer torturously so X others could avoid a slightly stubbed toe, or have a nice breeze on their face for a second. (More here.)
|Many utilitarians seem similar to libertarians - |
divorced from reality and lost in theory.